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Owen Peloquin
Andrew Dittman Interview · July 30, 2022
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ANDREW DITTMAN INTERVIEW WITH OWEN PELOQUIN
Dittman: sorry about that, got a lot going on. My name is Andrew, I’m an investigator with the sheriff’s office. My understanding is that you were the one that called mom.
Owen: mhmm
Dittman: ok. Dad, what is your first name dad.
Tim: tim
Dittman: Tim
Tim: and this is his mom Tracy
Dittman: it’s Timothy?
Tim: yeah
dittman: what’s your full middle name?
Tim: James. Peliquin p-e-l-o-q-u-i-n
Diitman: uh date of birth
Tim: 5/21/69
Dittman: good phone number for you sir
Tim: 651
Dittman: yep
Tim: 208
Dittman: yep
Tim: 0631
Dittman: 0631 and what’s a good address
Tim: 311
Dittman: yep
Tim: 3rd street, Hudson, WI 54016
Dittman: and mom
Tracy: tracy
Dittman: t-r
Tracy: t-r-a-c-y Lynn. L-y-n-n Peloquin. It’s the same
Dittman: ok
Tracy: phone number or
Dittman: I’ll take your date of birth
Tracy: 8/19/69
Dittman: good phone number
Tracy: [PHONE NUMBER REDACTED] and our address is different where he’s with me so you might need this one
Dittman: yeah go ahead with that
Tracy:13972 W Oakgreen Circle South in afton
Diitman: what’s the zip for Afton
Tracy: 55001
Dittman: so dad. And your first name bud
Owen: Owen. Peloquin
Tim: Lee
Dittman: Lee. L-e-e.
Owen: yeah. Peloquin
Dittman: date of birth
Owen: 12/27/04. 04
Dittman: and do you have a good phone number. A cell phone preferably
Owen: [PHONE NUMBER REDACTED]
Dittman: and is that your
Tracy: with mom
Owen: yep
Dittman: alright. So let’s just start from square one
Owen: so we were just
Dittman: so this morning, before we even get into that um what was the plan for today.
Owen: we were just all going to wake up and meet at the high school at 11:30 and drive together to Apple River
Dittman: when you say high school, Still water?
Owen: yeah [inaudible over phone ringing]
Dittman: I apologize [takes phone call]
End of video interview resumes in next video
Dittman: alright sorry about that. So you were going to meet this morning with the group of friends. How many of you guys went today
Owen: uh 6
Dittman: six of you
Owen: wait, me [inaudible] Isaac, Alex, Brian, Landon yeah six
Tim: did you include yourself
Owen: seven including myself
Dittman: what time did you guys meet at the high school
Owen: 11:30 11:40 maybe
Dittman: have any of you guys been down the Apple river before
Owen: yeah they all went last year
Dittman: ok
Owen: and we were just going to go again this year
Dittman: alright. So you guys meet roughly around 11:30 or 11:40 at the high school. Do you guys all hop in a vehicle and go over there?
Owen: yep
Dittman: and who’s vehicle was that
Owen: it was Alex Vang.
Dittman: ok
Owen: Vang v-a-n-g. if you want his middle name its coo
Dittman: that’s alright I’ll take to him. So you hop in his vehicle, you head over, then where do you go
Owen: we just head straight to the Apple River
Tim: which location
Dittman: yeah there’s River’s edge-
Owen: yeah river’s edge that’s where we got the tubes
Dittman: ok
Tim: he was asking which location [inaudible]
Owen: looked like river’s edge I’m not absolutely positive. Pretty sure
Dittman: alright so take me-you get to river’s edge what do you guys do at river’s edge
Owen: we get our tubes, we head down the river, hop in our tubes
Dittman: step back here
Tim: [inaudible]
Dittman: no it’s all good
Owen: go down the river, have a good time just where to everything happened. That guy came up to us. We talked to him first and then went on with our business then he came up to us again and he being weird, and we were like alright get away from us and then he go really close to us was like standing over top of us almost we all get out of our tubes and we were like alright get this pedophile away from us.
Dittman: was he with a group of people
Owen: no he was completely by himself
Dittman: by himself
Owen: completely by himself. It was one guy unless-cause I don’t know how he stabbed 5 people in manner of time. That’s the only thing that confuses me but I only saw him
Dittman: so let me. I’m going to slow you down a little bit ok. So you guys are floating down Apple River, you get your tubes. Where did you guys put your tubes in at
Owen: where’d we put our tubes at?
Dittman: yeah where’d you guys get in the river at
Tracy: get in the river the first time
Owen: oh well wherever they had us
Dittman: was it in the River’s edge area like the
Owen: yeah they just had us walk down from their tubes we walked like a football field or two this way
Dittman: so you guys parked the van-is it a van
Owen: yeah it’s parked
Dittman: okay so you park the van there, you guys get your tubes, what does it even cost you to go down the river
Owen: $20 each. $20 each tube
Dittman: ok
Owen: and then we had 2 more coolers that were $20
Dittman: ok
Owen: for food and stuff
Dittman: so there’s 7 people including yourself. At what point do you guys see this guy.
Owen: at least an hour and a half two hours into it
Dittman: into it
Owen: mm-hmm
Dittman: ok
Owen: I mean I never got to see where the end was but I assume it’s closer to the end cause we were starting to get closer to the end
Dittman: ok so about an hour and half /two hours into it, this guy how does it- I mean does he walk up to you guys, float up to you guys?
Owen: he was-so we were just looking at this guy he-
Tracy: were you stopped or floating when you saw the guy
Owen: we were floating and then we look at him and he was just standing completely by himself with some goggles on and then we were like what are you doing and he said oh I’m looking for a phone
Dittman: ok
Owen: then we were like alright and we get on with our business and then he comes back up to us later and he was just standing over us really weird
Tracy: further down the river? He followed you?
Owen: I mean it was only like 50 yards down the river
Tracy: so you guys kept floating
Owen: yeah
Tracy: he’s on the river bank
Owen: yeah
Tracy: he walked
Owen: not on the river bank, he was in the river
Tracy: he was in the river floating too?
Dittman: did he have a tube or was he just on
Owen: he was just on feet with goggles on his forehead and a snorkel and then he ended up losing those. And then he walked back after when he or when we saw him the second time he was just standing over us weirdly and um
Dittman: were you guys stopped at that pointor were you guys still floating
Owen: I think we stopped ourselves at that point
Dittman: so he comes back over to you and what does he say to you
Owen: I have no idea
Dittman: was he like confrontational with you guys or
Owen: no
Dittman: how would you describe his behavior
Owen: disgusting. Just looking at his face he was just looking really weirdly and sketchily and then we were like help get this guy away from us. We were sketched out cause he was standing right over top of us, we were all hop out of our tubes, this guy is sketchy then we back away and then everybody starts coming over to us and then that’s when a girl came up to him and then he punched that girl in the face
Dittman: okay
Owen: and then just, some guy got stabbed I saw his guts fall out of his stomach and then I look over and saw my friend just falling backwards and then I see blood everywhere and then I ran over to him and I just, I was just holding him and holding pressure on the wound as long as I could and then there was a nurse that came
Dittman: ok
Owen: and she took over. But I was just sitting there screaming
Dittman: but as far as you’re aware. He was by himself
Owen: he was by himself
Dittman: he was not tubing
Owen: no
Dittman: he was just walking in the river
Owen: he was just walking in the river
Dittman: and he said he was looking for his cellphone
Owen: yeah something like that
Dittman: and you said he had a pair of goggles on his head
Owen: he had a pair of goggles on his head but when he was talking to us
Dittman: can you just give me a second. Can you describe those goggles
Owen: they were a snorkel. He had a snorkel just clear and they were blue clear-ish goggles but he lost those while we were um talking to him he-those end up falling off his end and then he was kinda pissed about that and he was just acting weird
Dittman: did he seem like he was impaired or under the influence of something
Owen: he was definitely on something I mean he had to have been, let’s be real
Dittman: I guess when I say impaired it could be alcohol or drugs
Owen: I think it was drugs unless he just really drug. He was looking just disgusting in his face that’s why wanted to avoid him
Dittman: like when you say disgusting do you mean looking through you guys like the 1000 yard stare
Owen: yeah almost yeah
Dittman: and what did you guys say to him
Owen: we were just like get away from us pedophile just this guy’s a pedophile get away
Tim: Jowan has
Owen: Jowan has all of it on video
Dittman: and is he here
Owen: and he gave it to, he gave it to a police officer.
Tim: [inaudible overlap]
Dittman: he gave it to an investigator
Owen: he gave it to a police officer
Dittman: ok
Owen: all of the conversation, but I don’t think any of the stabbing is on video
Tim: [inaudible overlap] what happened and I’m not sure one of the officers on site took his phone
Owen: yeah
Dittman: okay
Tim: took that information
Dittman: alright and I have to apologize you’ll have to bear with me I got called out to this so I’m just trying to go from square one
Tim: nope we understand
Dittman: just try to figure this out. Obviously there’s a lot of information we’re trying to figure out
Owen and Tim: [inaudible overlap]
Dittman: right
Tracy: were you guys calling him-saying get away from us pedophile or other people were calling him
Owen: we were calling him pedophile cause he was just looking at us disgusting and I hated it
Dittman: did he ever say anything to you guys
Owen: he might have
Dittman: I mean do you recall him saying anything
Own: I don’t I really couldn’t even tell you I would ask someone else that
Dittman: you gotta take off?
Person: yeah
Dittman: no that’s fine
Person: thank you so much
Dittman: you’re good. You don’t recall anything
Owen: I think he might have said something but I don’t know what it would be
Tracy: but that should be on the video thing conversation stuff
Dittman: and can you give me your best physical description of this guy
Owen: I would say he’s bigger. He’s not like tall
Dittman: heavy set?
Owen: fatter. Heavy gut
Tim: how tall do you think he was
Dittman: like heavy set?
Owen: I would say he about your height
Dittman: ok so about 6’2”
Owen: then he had a beard he looked kinda like Italian not Italian but like a new York pizza dude like almost like I don’t know
Tracy: so dark hair
Owen: yeah dark hair not long hair it was like shaved and shorter just a little out
Tim: how old do you think her was
Owen: about 42-50
Dittman: shorter hair what color hair did have
Owen: black hair and beard
Dittman: ok
Tracy: a full beard like that
Owen: a beard like that, but thinner
Dittman: full beard
Owen: he had some greys
Tracy: any jewelry any weird swim trunks, was it swim trunks
Dittman: yeah what was he
Owen: he had is guy out he was in some kind of shorts
Dittman: what kind of swim shorts was he wearing
Owen: I think they were black I wasn’t really looking at his swim trunks though
Dittman: that’s ok
Owen: he had a bunch of gut hair a bunch of hair on his belly
Dittman: ok
Owen: black hair on his belly
Dittman: but you think he was in his 40’s?
Owen: had to have been 40’s or 50’s
Dittman: ok
Owen: had to have been around there he was definitely older. Older than 30 for sure
Dittman: do you don’t recall anything that he would have said to you guys or just kinda staring at you guys
Owen: yeah just that stare, staring past us
Dittman: so a knife gets brought out. Do you see when that get’s brought out or how does this happen?
Owen: no I saw his hand like right here and then I was just like I got away and I look back and everything was just everything was already done
Dittman: ok. Can you grab some bags for hands and then bring those inside for Kennet then come out and find me when you’re done with that
Officer: ok
Dittman: alright so did you ever see the knife?
Owen: yeah
Dittman: you did see it
Owen: it was like silver and it kind of had that brownish wood on the handle it was probably about 3 inches long and then it was about that thick it was one of those where it was just like that like that was the blade
Dittman: like just a point
Owen: yeah
Tracy: was it retractable
Owen: it was one where you fold it
Dittman: oh it was a folding knife ok. So silver blade
Owen: it had a clip like that on there
Dittman: silver blade, you said what color handle
Owen: wood grain kinda brown
Tim: light or dark
Owen: lighter more like popping kinda wood like a color pop
Dittman: like a lighter handle. Ok and how long would you estimate the blade length to be
Owen: about 2-3 inches like that long
Dittman: well, if you’re showing me that, that’s about at least 3
Tim: 3 inches yeah
Dittman: 3-4 inches
Owen: I say three, I say three.
Dittman: ok and you said it was folding knife?
Owen: folding yep.
Tim: and you said it had a clip on it so it was probably something he could wear on his belt
Owen: no he kept it on his pocket
Tim: his pocket ok. Did you see it on his pocket the first time
Owen: I saw it on his pocket that’s why I got away. I thought everyone else was away but then I saw guts flying out of this dude’s stomach and then I look over and see
Tim: so you saw it on his pocket but then the next time you look over it wasn’t on his pocket
Owen: no the next time I saw it, it was in his hand
Tim: ok. These are the questions he wants you to tell him
Dittman: no that’s alright its all good
Tracy: it’s very confusing
Tim: yeah we’re trying to figure out the time line and whats happening
Tracy: cause what made you have
Owen: I mean after he hit the girl is when everyone got on his ass and started punching him
Tracy: so were there people on the bank or in the river coming
Owen: There were people all around the river just coming in
Tracy: ok and then he started getting panicked and doing
Owen: cause we screaming get this guy away from us cause he was literally actually scaring us it got to the point where it was weird
Tracy: and then you saw him start reaching for his
Owen: yeah I saw his hand go like this and then I don’t remember literally
Dittman: so when he punched this female in the face, do you guys know who this female is
Owen: she got stabbed as well I’m pretty sure
Dittman: ok
Tim: but he’s asking
Dittman: do you know her though, do you know who it is
Owen: no the only guy I know is Isaac Shuman
Dittman: ok, did you see the knife in his hand when he punched her in the face
Owen: no
Dittman: ok
Owen: it’s possible, I don’t even know how he could have stabbed her, I heard that she got stabbed too I didn’t personally know that
Dittman: don’t worry about what you hear I just want to know what you observed, don’t worry about other people and what they saw
Owen: alright. Well I just know that 5 people got stabbed and
Tim: it’s ok he’s just asking he just wants your perspective. He will get everybody else’s perspective too and that’s the idea. Recreating everything that’s happened
Owen: i really can’t believe that
Dittman: yep, so how long have you known Isaac for
Owen: that’s been my brother
Dittman: ok
Tim: tell him a time frame
Dittman: like how long
Tracy: tell him how old you are and then how old is Isaac
Owen: we’re both 17 I’ve known him since like 7th grade
Dittman: ok
Tim: so like 5 years
Owen: sure 6 years
Tim: ok 5-6 years
Dittman: and you guys go to school together?
Owen: all of us
Dittman: in Stillwater?
Owen: Stillwater High School
Dittman: you guys going to be seniors?
Owen: yep
Dittman: this year
Owen: yep
Dittman: ok. I guess describe Isaac behavior today at all was there anything off with him, did he seem off at all day
Owen: no, no Isaac was having a great time, we were all having the best time of our lives we were just enjoying everything. We were all kind of like this is beautiful I wouldn’t rather be anywhere else. Literally
Dittman: right and was he drinking a little bit of alcohol
Owen: there was a little bit of alcohol
Dittman: ok. In your group?
Owen: yeah
Dittman: and was Isaac drinking at all today
Owen: he was drinking a little bit yeah
Dittman: and what were you drinking today
Owen: we had some beers
Dittman: what kind of beers were you drinking?
Owen: um
Dittman: and I’m not, this is like the least of my concerns it just-I just have to ask ok so I might ask some uncomfortable questions
Tim: just tell him the truth
Owen: the golden like draft beer or something like that it was a 24 pack between 7 people
Tim: the truth-did you tell him everything or no
Owen: no we also had a water bottle filled with some Tito’s
Dittman: ok
Owen: and we were taking shots every once in a while
Tracy: oh jesus
Dittman: you said you had about a 24 pack of Michelob ultra. So would you
Owen: alcohol did not-
Dittman: no, no and I’m not saying it did ok
Owen: we were having a great time and this guy just came [inaudible overlap]
Dittman: no and I understand,
Tim: stop talking
Dittman: just bear with me ok? Alcohol is the very least of my worries, I just have to ask these questions ok? Cause I’m very familiar with the Apple river, I know what goes on at the Apple river, that’s why I have to ask these questions, ok? Alright. How much alcohol do you think Isaac had today
Owen: I’d say Isaac had maybe 5 beers and 3 or 4 shots
Dittman: ok. Did Isaac seem like he was impaired at all or
Owen: before or after?
Dittman: I should clarify with you. You’ve obviously, you’re 17, you’ve seen people. I should rephrase that. You’re 17 have you ever seen anyone under the influence of alcohol
Owen: oh most definitely
Dittman: so you’ve seen somebody intoxicated or drunk, would he seem like
Owen: he was about a 5 out of 10 drunk he was not that drunk, he was chilling and he was just standing in the wrong place at the wrong time. He wasn’t even doing anything with the dude I didn’t even hear him say a word. I just looked over and saw him
Dittman: so we’re going to back peddle a little bit here
Owen: mhmm
Dittman: he comes over to you guys, he’s just staring, you guys are shouting at him you know like get away from us pedophile, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah at what point did somebody start recording
Owen: he was recording um he got like everything I’m pretty sure
Dittman: like when
Owen: like he got everything up until when he started seeing people stab cause he put his phone down cause he realized what happened
Dittman: no, right
Owen: and he had like
Dittman: and who was recording
Owen: Jawahn
Dittman: and is he here
Tracy and Owen: yes
Dittman: ok
Owen: he’s the guy with the dreads
Dittman: how do you write his first name
Owen: j-a-w-a-h-n
Dittman: j-a-w
Owen: a-h-n
Dittman: a-h-n.
Owen: jawahn yeah that’s gotta be right, yeah
Dittman: no you’re good I’ll grab that from him um
Owen: and he gave that footage to a police officer
Dittman: no that’s perfect. Um so when you guys are saying stuff to this dude. You said this female was the first one to get punched in the face
Owen: mm-hmm
Dittman takes a phone call and the video ends and a new video starts
Dittman: alright sorry about that
Tim: all good
Dittman: just one sec. alright, ok. So this female. So when does she get involved
Owen: well as soon as we started oh we were screaming pedophile get away from us then she came over walked over from about thirty feet or I mean thirty yards away and she said what’s going on over here and they just like started screaming at him I couldn’t tell you what they were saying
Tracy: did it seem like she knew this guy or
Owen: no. no one there knew him
Dittman: so she was talking to this guy
Owen: she was just like get away, just leave him alone blah, blah
Tracy: so she was like trying to help
Owen: yeah
Tim: did she look like she was older or your age or
Owen: she was probably in her mid-twenties
Tim: ok so she was standing up for some younger kids
Owen: yeah all her friends came as well she was in a group of like 5-10 people and then I think one of the people from her group was one that-I don’t know, I don’t know
Tim: probably got stabbed also
Owen: got stabbed
Tracy: well we don’t know that
Owen: I guess we don’t know for sure
Tim: the only thing you know happened was that she got hit
Dittman: so when he punched her directly in the face with closed fist
Owen: yeah
Dittman: ok
Tracy: how does that look to you, show what you saw him do
Owen: I don’t even know
Tracy: she was coming up to him directly or behind or what
Owen: she was just like alright you need to go, you need to leave
Tracy: and then he just went like that
Owen: yeah
Tracy: and then she fell and then at that point what happe
Owen: I don’t even know
Tim: and that’s when it became chaos?
Owen: yeah
Dittman: so she gets rocked, does she go into the water, does she stand up? They tussle at all
Owen: I don’t even know
Dittman: you don’t remember? That’s ok
Owen: I would love to tell you but
Dittman: so after she gets punched what happened from there
Tracy: what happened next
Owen: that’s when people started
Dittman: did people go after this guy
Owen: yeah he definitely got punch a couple times cause I watched him fall to his ass he was just looking up still looking like he was looking through everyone
Dittman: yep
Owen: and he was just and he got back up and I see the knife in his hand and I don’t remember again I see people guts out of their stomach I look over and I see Isaac. That’s all I remember
Dittman: so was Isaac, was he laying in the tube, was he laying in the water.
Owen: no we were just all kind of around
Dittman: were you standing or on your tubes
Owen: standing we were all in the water at that point [inaudible overlap]
Tim: how deep was the water where you were standing
Owen: it was about up to the knees. Here-ish. Mid thigh
Dittman: ok
Owen: and um I think he just got too close and um got stabbed clearly
Dittman: so was he going towards him
Owen: he was not going towards him.
Dittman: did the guy
Owen: Isaac’s not a fighter
Dittman: yeah. The guy, did he go after Isaac.
Owen: I don’t know
Dittman: you don’t remember
Owen: I didn’t see Isaac get stabbed. I just look over I thought it was one of two people in my friend group-I just don’t know-then I ran over to him- I was just. Me and Al, Alex Vang just picked up him brought him to shore and we were just holding his chest. I was just holding his chest and looking at him
Dittman: Where did you see the stab wound on him
Owen: just right there completely open on him right there. Left side of the chest
Dittman: left side of the chest. And was it bleeding
Owen: bad
Dittman: pretty heavily. So you guys brought him up to
Owen: and every single time someone would push on his chest I just felt the air come out of his chest
Tim: he probably punctured one of his lungs unfortunately
Dittman: did you guys pull him up to shore?
Owen: yeah
Dittman: and then what happens
Owen: and then I was just sitting screaming. Alex and I were just sitting there screaming what do we do we need to carry him to shore. And then like a couple minutes later some nurse girl came up to us. “I’m a nurse, I’m a nurse” and then their group was there and they took over
Tracy: when did you tell Alina, his mom
Owen: right after I got done holding his chest closed so someone’s calling her and then I called her and I stayed on the phone with her the whole time until she got there
Dittman: what happened with the guy where did he go
Owen: disappeared
Dittman: did you see where he went off too
Owen: no he disappeared
dittman: he disappeared
Tracy: do you know what your friends were doing or saying while you were holding Isaac
Owen: well Jawahn was just screaming. And then Landon was also- we were just all in shock. Then I was just on top of him just looking at him
Dittman: alright. How much would you say you had to drink today.
Owen: uh I’d say I probably had about 4 beers and 3 shots. I’m not even drunk at all
Dittman: no I’m
Tim: that’s not the question he was just asking you what you had to drink
Owen: that’s what I had to drink I’m chillin
Tim: ok [inaudible]
Dittman: so nurse comes up, she says she’s a nurse you guys obviously didn’t know her she just said I’m a nurse
Owen: I figured better her than me
Dittman: right. So what happened from there
Owen: they were just, they took control of the situation. They were constant CPR. One guy was putting a lot of pressure on his chest just continuous CPR. Then the cop got there took his time walked up slowly and then everyone started showing up then they got him, brought him back to the ambulance
Dittman: ok so
Owen: floated him down the river
Dittman: who all that is here currently
Owen: do you want every name
Dittman: no just who was there anybody else here that was present during this incident
Owen: yeah
Tracy: yeah, yes
Dittman: everyone here?
Owen: not everyone
Dittman: just the 5-6
Owen: 6 guys
Dittman: guys
Owen: 6 other guys yeah
Tim: now 5 because Isaac was included in that group so
Dittman: right
Owen: that should be it
Dittman: so 7 total ok
Owen: 5 others here were there
Dittman: ok. Alright um .
Tracy: was Isaac at all at any point after you saw the blood [inaudible] hurt [inaudible]
Owen: I tried to check his pulse I didn’t feel anything
Tim: he didn’t say much
Owen: he didn’t say a single thing
Tracy: was
Owen: he was just sitting there with his mouth open and his eyes rolling back
Tim: so he wasn’t able to talk
Owen: no he was not looking good
Dittman: well let me-well I’m sorry you had to go through this. I’m going to write the case number on the back here. Sounds like an awful trip on the Apple River.
Owen: yeah never again
Dittman: I would probably never allow my kids to go to the Apple River
Owen: well we went there last year, had a blast
Dittman: oh right don’t get me wrong I know how rowdy for things to get down there
Tim: as you see it takes 30 seconds from having a blast to not, it doesn’t take long
Tracy: not within your control
Tim: that situation-
Dittman: alright I think I have what I need from you
Tim: ok
Dittman: if we need anything from you further I will probably reach out to you and we will just coordinate from there
Tracy: do you want any of the other boys to talk to next
Dittman: yeah we’re going to talk to all of them
Tracy: so do you want me to get one or the other
Dittman: yeah
Owen: I’ll go
Tracy: [inaudible overlap] Alex
Tim: do you need anything else from him
Dittman: no yeah he’s good
Tim: ok any particular order
Dittman: no, no, nope.
Tracy: thank you
Dittman: no thank you I appreciate the information we’re just trying to sort the pieces of the puzzle together make sure we’re getting consistent
Tracy: none of us have heard anything about Isaac at this point
Dittman: he is uh he’s deceased
Tracy: ok
Dittman: so this is a homicide investigation
Tracy: he did pass away
Dittman: yes
Tracy: is that something I can share with everybody
Dittman: um
Tracy: cause these boys
Dittman: we’ll just keep that to you and yours for this moment while we finish talking to everybody
Tracy: cause the boys are going to be really hysterical
Dittman: i know yep,yep i'm just trying to be transparent with you. You know what I mean
Tracy: thank you.
Tracy walks away as the next family approaches
ANDREW DITTMAN INTERVIEW WITH OWEN PELOQUIN
Dittman: sorry about that, got a lot going on. My name is Andrew, I’m an investigator with the sheriff’s office. My understanding is that you were the one that called mom.
Owen: mhmm
Dittman: ok. Dad, what is your first name dad.
Tim: tim
Dittman: Tim
Tim: and this is his mom Tracy
Dittman: it’s Timothy?
Tim: yeah
dittman: what’s your full middle name?
Tim: James. Peliquin p-e-l-o-q-u-i-n
Diitman: uh date of birth
Tim: 5/21/69
Dittman: good phone number for you sir
Tim: 651
Dittman: yep
Tim: 208
Dittman: yep
Tim: 0631
Dittman: 0631 and what’s a good address
Tim: 311
Dittman: yep
Tim: 3rd street, Hudson, WI 54016
Dittman: and mom
Tracy: tracy
Dittman: t-r
Tracy: t-r-a-c-y Lynn. L-y-n-n Peloquin. It’s the same
Dittman: ok
Tracy: phone number or
Dittman: I’ll take your date of birth
Tracy: 8/19/69
Dittman: good phone number
Tracy: [PHONE NUMBER REDACTED] and our address is different where he’s with me so you might need this one
Dittman: yeah go ahead with that
Tracy:13972 W Oakgreen Circle South in afton
Diitman: what’s the zip for Afton
Tracy: 55001
Dittman: so dad. And your first name bud
Owen: Owen. Peloquin
Tim: Lee
Dittman: Lee. L-e-e.
Owen: yeah. Peloquin
Dittman: date of birth
Owen: 12/27/04. 04
Dittman: and do you have a good phone number. A cell phone preferably
Owen: [PHONE NUMBER REDACTED]
Dittman: and is that your
Tracy: with mom
Owen: yep
Dittman: alright. So let’s just start from square one
Owen: so we were just
Dittman: so this morning, before we even get into that um what was the plan for today.
Owen: we were just all going to wake up and meet at the high school at 11:30 and drive together to Apple River
Dittman: when you say high school, Still water?
Owen: yeah [inaudible over phone ringing]
Dittman: I apologize [takes phone call]
End of video interview resumes in next video
Dittman: alright sorry about that. So you were going to meet this morning with the group of friends. How many of you guys went today
Owen: uh 6
Dittman: six of you
Owen: wait, me [inaudible] Isaac, Alex, Brian, Landon yeah six
Tim: did you include yourself
Owen: seven including myself
Dittman: what time did you guys meet at the high school
Owen: 11:30 11:40 maybe
Dittman: have any of you guys been down the Apple river before
Owen: yeah they all went last year
Dittman: ok
Owen: and we were just going to go again this year
Dittman: alright. So you guys meet roughly around 11:30 or 11:40 at the high school. Do you guys all hop in a vehicle and go over there?
Owen: yep
Dittman: and who’s vehicle was that
Owen: it was Alex Vang.
Dittman: ok
Owen: Vang v-a-n-g. if you want his middle name its coo
Dittman: that’s alright I’ll take to him. So you hop in his vehicle, you head over, then where do you go
Owen: we just head straight to the Apple River
Tim: which location
Dittman: yeah there’s River’s edge-
Owen: yeah river’s edge that’s where we got the tubes
Dittman: ok
Tim: he was asking which location [inaudible]
Owen: looked like river’s edge I’m not absolutely positive. Pretty sure
Dittman: alright so take me-you get to river’s edge what do you guys do at river’s edge
Owen: we get our tubes, we head down the river, hop in our tubes
Dittman: step back here
Tim: [inaudible]
Dittman: no it’s all good
Owen: go down the river, have a good time just where to everything happened. That guy came up to us. We talked to him first and then went on with our business then he came up to us again and he being weird, and we were like alright get away from us and then he go really close to us was like standing over top of us almost we all get out of our tubes and we were like alright get this pedophile away from us.
Dittman: was he with a group of people
Owen: no he was completely by himself
Dittman: by himself
Owen: completely by himself. It was one guy unless-cause I don’t know how he stabbed 5 people in manner of time. That’s the only thing that confuses me but I only saw him
Dittman: so let me. I’m going to slow you down a little bit ok. So you guys are floating down Apple River, you get your tubes. Where did you guys put your tubes in at
Owen: where’d we put our tubes at?
Dittman: yeah where’d you guys get in the river at
Tracy: get in the river the first time
Owen: oh well wherever they had us
Dittman: was it in the River’s edge area like the
Owen: yeah they just had us walk down from their tubes we walked like a football field or two this way
Dittman: so you guys parked the van-is it a van
Owen: yeah it’s parked
Dittman: okay so you park the van there, you guys get your tubes, what does it even cost you to go down the river
Owen: $20 each. $20 each tube
Dittman: ok
Owen: and then we had 2 more coolers that were $20
Dittman: ok
Owen: for food and stuff
Dittman: so there’s 7 people including yourself. At what point do you guys see this guy.
Owen: at least an hour and a half two hours into it
Dittman: into it
Owen: mm-hmm
Dittman: ok
Owen: I mean I never got to see where the end was but I assume it’s closer to the end cause we were starting to get closer to the end
Dittman: ok so about an hour and half /two hours into it, this guy how does it- I mean does he walk up to you guys, float up to you guys?
Owen: he was-so we were just looking at this guy he-
Tracy: were you stopped or floating when you saw the guy
Owen: we were floating and then we look at him and he was just standing completely by himself with some goggles on and then we were like what are you doing and he said oh I’m looking for a phone
Dittman: ok
Owen: then we were like alright and we get on with our business and then he comes back up to us later and he was just standing over us really weird
Tracy: further down the river? He followed you?
Owen: I mean it was only like 50 yards down the river
Tracy: so you guys kept floating
Owen: yeah
Tracy: he’s on the river bank
Owen: yeah
Tracy: he walked
Owen: not on the river bank, he was in the river
Tracy: he was in the river floating too?
Dittman: did he have a tube or was he just on
Owen: he was just on feet with goggles on his forehead and a snorkel and then he ended up losing those. And then he walked back after when he or when we saw him the second time he was just standing over us weirdly and um
Dittman: were you guys stopped at that pointor were you guys still floating
Owen: I think we stopped ourselves at that point
Dittman: so he comes back over to you and what does he say to you
Owen: I have no idea
Dittman: was he like confrontational with you guys or
Owen: no
Dittman: how would you describe his behavior
Owen: disgusting. Just looking at his face he was just looking really weirdly and sketchily and then we were like help get this guy away from us. We were sketched out cause he was standing right over top of us, we were all hop out of our tubes, this guy is sketchy then we back away and then everybody starts coming over to us and then that’s when a girl came up to him and then he punched that girl in the face
Dittman: okay
Owen: and then just, some guy got stabbed I saw his guts fall out of his stomach and then I look over and saw my friend just falling backwards and then I see blood everywhere and then I ran over to him and I just, I was just holding him and holding pressure on the wound as long as I could and then there was a nurse that came
Dittman: ok
Owen: and she took over. But I was just sitting there screaming
Dittman: but as far as you’re aware. He was by himself
Owen: he was by himself
Dittman: he was not tubing
Owen: no
Dittman: he was just walking in the river
Owen: he was just walking in the river
Dittman: and he said he was looking for his cellphone
Owen: yeah something like that
Dittman: and you said he had a pair of goggles on his head
Owen: he had a pair of goggles on his head but when he was talking to us
Dittman: can you just give me a second. Can you describe those goggles
Owen: they were a snorkel. He had a snorkel just clear and they were blue clear-ish goggles but he lost those while we were um talking to him he-those end up falling off his end and then he was kinda pissed about that and he was just acting weird
Dittman: did he seem like he was impaired or under the influence of something
Owen: he was definitely on something I mean he had to have been, let’s be real
Dittman: I guess when I say impaired it could be alcohol or drugs
Owen: I think it was drugs unless he just really drug. He was looking just disgusting in his face that’s why wanted to avoid him
Dittman: like when you say disgusting do you mean looking through you guys like the 1000 yard stare
Owen: yeah almost yeah
Dittman: and what did you guys say to him
Owen: we were just like get away from us pedophile just this guy’s a pedophile get away
Tim: Jowan has
Owen: Jowan has all of it on video
Dittman: and is he here
Owen: and he gave it to, he gave it to a police officer.
Tim: [inaudible overlap]
Dittman: he gave it to an investigator
Owen: he gave it to a police officer
Dittman: ok
Owen: all of the conversation, but I don’t think any of the stabbing is on video
Tim: [inaudible overlap] what happened and I’m not sure one of the officers on site took his phone
Owen: yeah
Dittman: okay
Tim: took that information
Dittman: alright and I have to apologize you’ll have to bear with me I got called out to this so I’m just trying to go from square one
Tim: nope we understand
Dittman: just try to figure this out. Obviously there’s a lot of information we’re trying to figure out
Owen and Tim: [inaudible overlap]
Dittman: right
Tracy: were you guys calling him-saying get away from us pedophile or other people were calling him
Owen: we were calling him pedophile cause he was just looking at us disgusting and I hated it
Dittman: did he ever say anything to you guys
Owen: he might have
Dittman: I mean do you recall him saying anything
Own: I don’t I really couldn’t even tell you I would ask someone else that
Dittman: you gotta take off?
Person: yeah
Dittman: no that’s fine
Person: thank you so much
Dittman: you’re good. You don’t recall anything
Owen: I think he might have said something but I don’t know what it would be
Tracy: but that should be on the video thing conversation stuff
Dittman: and can you give me your best physical description of this guy
Owen: I would say he’s bigger. He’s not like tall
Dittman: heavy set?
Owen: fatter. Heavy gut
Tim: how tall do you think he was
Dittman: like heavy set?
Owen: I would say he about your height
Dittman: ok so about 6’2”
Owen: then he had a beard he looked kinda like Italian not Italian but like a new York pizza dude like almost like I don’t know
Tracy: so dark hair
Owen: yeah dark hair not long hair it was like shaved and shorter just a little out
Tim: how old do you think her was
Owen: about 42-50
Dittman: shorter hair what color hair did have
Owen: black hair and beard
Dittman: ok
Tracy: a full beard like that
Owen: a beard like that, but thinner
Dittman: full beard
Owen: he had some greys
Tracy: any jewelry any weird swim trunks, was it swim trunks
Dittman: yeah what was he
Owen: he had is guy out he was in some kind of shorts
Dittman: what kind of swim shorts was he wearing
Owen: I think they were black I wasn’t really looking at his swim trunks though
Dittman: that’s ok
Owen: he had a bunch of gut hair a bunch of hair on his belly
Dittman: ok
Owen: black hair on his belly
Dittman: but you think he was in his 40’s?
Owen: had to have been 40’s or 50’s
Dittman: ok
Owen: had to have been around there he was definitely older. Older than 30 for sure
Dittman: do you don’t recall anything that he would have said to you guys or just kinda staring at you guys
Owen: yeah just that stare, staring past us
Dittman: so a knife gets brought out. Do you see when that get’s brought out or how does this happen?
Owen: no I saw his hand like right here and then I was just like I got away and I look back and everything was just everything was already done
Dittman: ok. Can you grab some bags for hands and then bring those inside for Kennet then come out and find me when you’re done with that
Officer: ok
Dittman: alright so did you ever see the knife?
Owen: yeah
Dittman: you did see it
Owen: it was like silver and it kind of had that brownish wood on the handle it was probably about 3 inches long and then it was about that thick it was one of those where it was just like that like that was the blade
Dittman: like just a point
Owen: yeah
Tracy: was it retractable
Owen: it was one where you fold it
Dittman: oh it was a folding knife ok. So silver blade
Owen: it had a clip like that on there
Dittman: silver blade, you said what color handle
Owen: wood grain kinda brown
Tim: light or dark
Owen: lighter more like popping kinda wood like a color pop
Dittman: like a lighter handle. Ok and how long would you estimate the blade length to be
Owen: about 2-3 inches like that long
Dittman: well, if you’re showing me that, that’s about at least 3
Tim: 3 inches yeah
Dittman: 3-4 inches
Owen: I say three, I say three.
Dittman: ok and you said it was folding knife?
Owen: folding yep.
Tim: and you said it had a clip on it so it was probably something he could wear on his belt
Owen: no he kept it on his pocket
Tim: his pocket ok. Did you see it on his pocket the first time
Owen: I saw it on his pocket that’s why I got away. I thought everyone else was away but then I saw guts flying out of this dude’s stomach and then I look over and see
Tim: so you saw it on his pocket but then the next time you look over it wasn’t on his pocket
Owen: no the next time I saw it, it was in his hand
Tim: ok. These are the questions he wants you to tell him
Dittman: no that’s alright its all good
Tracy: it’s very confusing
Tim: yeah we’re trying to figure out the time line and whats happening
Tracy: cause what made you have
Owen: I mean after he hit the girl is when everyone got on his ass and started punching him
Tracy: so were there people on the bank or in the river coming
Owen: There were people all around the river just coming in
Tracy: ok and then he started getting panicked and doing
Owen: cause we screaming get this guy away from us cause he was literally actually scaring us it got to the point where it was weird
Tracy: and then you saw him start reaching for his
Owen: yeah I saw his hand go like this and then I don’t remember literally
Dittman: so when he punched this female in the face, do you guys know who this female is
Owen: she got stabbed as well I’m pretty sure
Dittman: ok
Tim: but he’s asking
Dittman: do you know her though, do you know who it is
Owen: no the only guy I know is Isaac Shuman
Dittman: ok, did you see the knife in his hand when he punched her in the face
Owen: no
Dittman: ok
Owen: it’s possible, I don’t even know how he could have stabbed her, I heard that she got stabbed too I didn’t personally know that
Dittman: don’t worry about what you hear I just want to know what you observed, don’t worry about other people and what they saw
Owen: alright. Well I just know that 5 people got stabbed and
Tim: it’s ok he’s just asking he just wants your perspective. He will get everybody else’s perspective too and that’s the idea. Recreating everything that’s happened
Owen: i really can’t believe that
Dittman: yep, so how long have you known Isaac for
Owen: that’s been my brother
Dittman: ok
Tim: tell him a time frame
Dittman: like how long
Tracy: tell him how old you are and then how old is Isaac
Owen: we’re both 17 I’ve known him since like 7th grade
Dittman: ok
Tim: so like 5 years
Owen: sure 6 years
Tim: ok 5-6 years
Dittman: and you guys go to school together?
Owen: all of us
Dittman: in Stillwater?
Owen: Stillwater High School
Dittman: you guys going to be seniors?
Owen: yep
Dittman: this year
Owen: yep
Dittman: ok. I guess describe Isaac behavior today at all was there anything off with him, did he seem off at all day
Owen: no, no Isaac was having a great time, we were all having the best time of our lives we were just enjoying everything. We were all kind of like this is beautiful I wouldn’t rather be anywhere else. Literally
Dittman: right and was he drinking a little bit of alcohol
Owen: there was a little bit of alcohol
Dittman: ok. In your group?
Owen: yeah
Dittman: and was Isaac drinking at all today
Owen: he was drinking a little bit yeah
Dittman: and what were you drinking today
Owen: we had some beers
Dittman: what kind of beers were you drinking?
Owen: um
Dittman: and I’m not, this is like the least of my concerns it just-I just have to ask ok so I might ask some uncomfortable questions
Tim: just tell him the truth
Owen: the golden like draft beer or something like that it was a 24 pack between 7 people
Tim: the truth-did you tell him everything or no
Owen: no we also had a water bottle filled with some Tito’s
Dittman: ok
Owen: and we were taking shots every once in a while
Tracy: oh jesus
Dittman: you said you had about a 24 pack of Michelob ultra. So would you
Owen: alcohol did not-
Dittman: no, no and I’m not saying it did ok
Owen: we were having a great time and this guy just came [inaudible overlap]
Dittman: no and I understand,
Tim: stop talking
Dittman: just bear with me ok? Alcohol is the very least of my worries, I just have to ask these questions ok? Cause I’m very familiar with the Apple river, I know what goes on at the Apple river, that’s why I have to ask these questions, ok? Alright. How much alcohol do you think Isaac had today
Owen: I’d say Isaac had maybe 5 beers and 3 or 4 shots
Dittman: ok. Did Isaac seem like he was impaired at all or
Owen: before or after?
Dittman: I should clarify with you. You’ve obviously, you’re 17, you’ve seen people. I should rephrase that. You’re 17 have you ever seen anyone under the influence of alcohol
Owen: oh most definitely
Dittman: so you’ve seen somebody intoxicated or drunk, would he seem like
Owen: he was about a 5 out of 10 drunk he was not that drunk, he was chilling and he was just standing in the wrong place at the wrong time. He wasn’t even doing anything with the dude I didn’t even hear him say a word. I just looked over and saw him
Dittman: so we’re going to back peddle a little bit here
Owen: mhmm
Dittman: he comes over to you guys, he’s just staring, you guys are shouting at him you know like get away from us pedophile, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah at what point did somebody start recording
Owen: he was recording um he got like everything I’m pretty sure
Dittman: like when
Owen: like he got everything up until when he started seeing people stab cause he put his phone down cause he realized what happened
Dittman: no, right
Owen: and he had like
Dittman: and who was recording
Owen: Jawahn
Dittman: and is he here
Tracy and Owen: yes
Dittman: ok
Owen: he’s the guy with the dreads
Dittman: how do you write his first name
Owen: j-a-w-a-h-n
Dittman: j-a-w
Owen: a-h-n
Dittman: a-h-n.
Owen: jawahn yeah that’s gotta be right, yeah
Dittman: no you’re good I’ll grab that from him um
Owen: and he gave that footage to a police officer
Dittman: no that’s perfect. Um so when you guys are saying stuff to this dude. You said this female was the first one to get punched in the face
Owen: mm-hmm
Dittman takes a phone call and the video ends and a new video starts
Dittman: alright sorry about that
Tim: all good
Dittman: just one sec. alright, ok. So this female. So when does she get involved
Owen: well as soon as we started oh we were screaming pedophile get away from us then she came over walked over from about thirty feet or I mean thirty yards away and she said what’s going on over here and they just like started screaming at him I couldn’t tell you what they were saying
Tracy: did it seem like she knew this guy or
Owen: no. no one there knew him
Dittman: so she was talking to this guy
Owen: she was just like get away, just leave him alone blah, blah
Tracy: so she was like trying to help
Owen: yeah
Tim: did she look like she was older or your age or
Owen: she was probably in her mid-twenties
Tim: ok so she was standing up for some younger kids
Owen: yeah all her friends came as well she was in a group of like 5-10 people and then I think one of the people from her group was one that-I don’t know, I don’t know
Tim: probably got stabbed also
Owen: got stabbed
Tracy: well we don’t know that
Owen: I guess we don’t know for sure
Tim: the only thing you know happened was that she got hit
Dittman: so when he punched her directly in the face with closed fist
Owen: yeah
Dittman: ok
Tracy: how does that look to you, show what you saw him do
Owen: I don’t even know
Tracy: she was coming up to him directly or behind or what
Owen: she was just like alright you need to go, you need to leave
Tracy: and then he just went like that
Owen: yeah
Tracy: and then she fell and then at that point what happe
Owen: I don’t even know
Tim: and that’s when it became chaos?
Owen: yeah
Dittman: so she gets rocked, does she go into the water, does she stand up? They tussle at all
Owen: I don’t even know
Dittman: you don’t remember? That’s ok
Owen: I would love to tell you but
Dittman: so after she gets punched what happened from there
Tracy: what happened next
Owen: that’s when people started
Dittman: did people go after this guy
Owen: yeah he definitely got punch a couple times cause I watched him fall to his ass he was just looking up still looking like he was looking through everyone
Dittman: yep
Owen: and he was just and he got back up and I see the knife in his hand and I don’t remember again I see people guts out of their stomach I look over and I see Isaac. That’s all I remember
Dittman: so was Isaac, was he laying in the tube, was he laying in the water.
Owen: no we were just all kind of around
Dittman: were you standing or on your tubes
Owen: standing we were all in the water at that point [inaudible overlap]
Tim: how deep was the water where you were standing
Owen: it was about up to the knees. Here-ish. Mid thigh
Dittman: ok
Owen: and um I think he just got too close and um got stabbed clearly
Dittman: so was he going towards him
Owen: he was not going towards him.
Dittman: did the guy
Owen: Isaac’s not a fighter
Dittman: yeah. The guy, did he go after Isaac.
Owen: I don’t know
Dittman: you don’t remember
Owen: I didn’t see Isaac get stabbed. I just look over I thought it was one of two people in my friend group-I just don’t know-then I ran over to him- I was just. Me and Al, Alex Vang just picked up him brought him to shore and we were just holding his chest. I was just holding his chest and looking at him
Dittman: Where did you see the stab wound on him
Owen: just right there completely open on him right there. Left side of the chest
Dittman: left side of the chest. And was it bleeding
Owen: bad
Dittman: pretty heavily. So you guys brought him up to
Owen: and every single time someone would push on his chest I just felt the air come out of his chest
Tim: he probably punctured one of his lungs unfortunately
Dittman: did you guys pull him up to shore?
Owen: yeah
Dittman: and then what happens
Owen: and then I was just sitting screaming. Alex and I were just sitting there screaming what do we do we need to carry him to shore. And then like a couple minutes later some nurse girl came up to us. “I’m a nurse, I’m a nurse” and then their group was there and they took over
Tracy: when did you tell Alina, his mom
Owen: right after I got done holding his chest closed so someone’s calling her and then I called her and I stayed on the phone with her the whole time until she got there
Dittman: what happened with the guy where did he go
Owen: disappeared
Dittman: did you see where he went off too
Owen: no he disappeared
dittman: he disappeared
Tracy: do you know what your friends were doing or saying while you were holding Isaac
Owen: well Jawahn was just screaming. And then Landon was also- we were just all in shock. Then I was just on top of him just looking at him
Dittman: alright. How much would you say you had to drink today.
Owen: uh I’d say I probably had about 4 beers and 3 shots. I’m not even drunk at all
Dittman: no I’m
Tim: that’s not the question he was just asking you what you had to drink
Owen: that’s what I had to drink I’m chillin
Tim: ok [inaudible]
Dittman: so nurse comes up, she says she’s a nurse you guys obviously didn’t know her she just said I’m a nurse
Owen: I figured better her than me
Dittman: right. So what happened from there
Owen: they were just, they took control of the situation. They were constant CPR. One guy was putting a lot of pressure on his chest just continuous CPR. Then the cop got there took his time walked up slowly and then everyone started showing up then they got him, brought him back to the ambulance
Dittman: ok so
Owen: floated him down the river
Dittman: who all that is here currently
Owen: do you want every name
Dittman: no just who was there anybody else here that was present during this incident
Owen: yeah
Tracy: yeah, yes
Dittman: everyone here?
Owen: not everyone
Dittman: just the 5-6
Owen: 6 guys
Dittman: guys
Owen: 6 other guys yeah
Tim: now 5 because Isaac was included in that group so
Dittman: right
Owen: that should be it
Dittman: so 7 total ok
Owen: 5 others here were there
Dittman: ok. Alright um .
Tracy: was Isaac at all at any point after you saw the blood [inaudible] hurt [inaudible]
Owen: I tried to check his pulse I didn’t feel anything
Tim: he didn’t say much
Owen: he didn’t say a single thing
Tracy: was
Owen: he was just sitting there with his mouth open and his eyes rolling back
Tim: so he wasn’t able to talk
Owen: no he was not looking good
Dittman: well let me-well I’m sorry you had to go through this. I’m going to write the case number on the back here. Sounds like an awful trip on the Apple River.
Owen: yeah never again
Dittman: I would probably never allow my kids to go to the Apple River
Owen: well we went there last year, had a blast
Dittman: oh right don’t get me wrong I know how rowdy for things to get down there
Tim: as you see it takes 30 seconds from having a blast to not, it doesn’t take long
Tracy: not within your control
Tim: that situation-
Dittman: alright I think I have what I need from you
Tim: ok
Dittman: if we need anything from you further I will probably reach out to you and we will just coordinate from there
Tracy: do you want any of the other boys to talk to next
Dittman: yeah we’re going to talk to all of them
Tracy: so do you want me to get one or the other
Dittman: yeah
Owen: I’ll go
Tracy: [inaudible overlap] Alex
Tim: do you need anything else from him
Dittman: no yeah he’s good
Tim: ok any particular order
Dittman: no, no, nope.
Tracy: thank you
Dittman: no thank you I appreciate the information we’re just trying to sort the pieces of the puzzle together make sure we’re getting consistent
Tracy: none of us have heard anything about Isaac at this point
Dittman: he is uh he’s deceased
Tracy: ok
Dittman: so this is a homicide investigation
Tracy: he did pass away
Dittman: yes
Tracy: is that something I can share with everybody
Dittman: um
Tracy: cause these boys
Dittman: we’ll just keep that to you and yours for this moment while we finish talking to everybody
Tracy: cause the boys are going to be really hysterical
Dittman: i know yep,yep i'm just trying to be transparent with you. You know what I mean
Tracy: thank you.
Tracy walks away as the next family approaches